Remington Steele:  Pierce Brosnan and Stephanie Zimbalist
SOTW: Episode #02- Tempered Steele
by pianoRose (Tue Oct 3 2006 14:36:44 ) 
This is next right? I haven't seen this one either. I think someone said this was filmed months before LTS? Was this one supposed to be the first show?

So what should I expect? I really liked LTS. But this is *new* to me too so I'm sure it will be good no matter what!

by jrdedrick (Tue Oct 3 2006 15:06:58 ) 
I've heard, but don't know for sure, that it was filmed first. I don't know if that meant it was meant to be the first show or not. I don't think it would have made a lot of sense that way, but that's just me. It is good however. LOL

Neeney

by Xenos1981 (Tue Oct 3 2006 15:33:29 ) 
OMG, OMG, OMG, pianoRose!!! You've NEVER seen "Tempered Steele"?!?! You'll LOVE it! The "itchy scene" that everyone talks about is in this episode. It's one of the best -- if not THE BEST -- scenes in television history! So blunt...So honest...So wonderful! And the rest of the episode is top notch, too. You will not be disappointed. Trust me!

Now, Neeney, here's the deal with "Tempered" and "License". "Tempered" was the original/first show that they shot to show the big-wigs at NBC. After they saw it and committed to the series, they wanted to see how Laura and Remington met and how our mysterious con man became Remington Steele. Hence, "License" was written and became the pilot. I believe it was actually shot six months after "Tempered".

Xenos

by lissa_erin14 (Tue Oct 3 2006 16:25:28 ) 
You know once I see this, I'm going to be a quoting fiend again.
by jrdedrick (Tue Oct 3 2006 17:19:07 ) 
LOL about Tempered Steele. I still think that SZ/Laura looks younger in License than she does in Tempered. I can see why they did that though. 

Neeney

by pianoRose (Tue Oct 3 2006 19:05:43 ) 

So "Itchy" is from TS! I guess I missed that when everyone has mentioned that. Ok, I can't wait! I know I could just go right now and pop it in but this much more fun to wait until Friday. I'm glad to be reassued. I was wondering if I'd feel a let down with this episode after liking the other so much. So this is the itchy scene show....can't wait!
by dtalley (Tue Oct 3 2006 20:07:25 ) 

"Tempered" has a totally different feel and look than all the other episodes. He doesn't even act like the "Remington" we know and love until the last half of the episode.
by Xenos1981 (Wed Oct 4 2006 05:36:26 ) 

Really, Debra? You thought "Tempered" had a totally different feel and look? Hmmmm...Something to discuss after Friday's viewing! Can't wait.
by attagrrrl (Wed Oct 4 2006 10:03:03 ) 

I remember it the same as Debra. I look forward to watching it again to see if I still feel the same.
by picac (Wed Oct 4 2006 11:09:10 ) 

I agree, the original pilot tone is different. Not drasticially different but enough that it's noticable, not just with Steele's character but Laura as well. Both characters are a little edgier and harder. He seems more of an unscrupulous cad to start out and she's more sexually forthright and aware (and I think that's part of why she seems older than in License where she's more smitten and less direct about her lust) That Itchy scene sticks out not just because it's so great but that it's pretty much one of a kind with Laura so forthrightly talking about her sexual needs and desires and how she's not having sex because she wants to maintain power and control over him, not because she's afraid she'll get in emotionally too deep.

Ooops, looks like I jumped the gun but I couldn't help myslef. 

by Xenos1981 (Wed Oct 4 2006 11:17:34 ) 
OK, I just can't let this go until Friday or Saturday...

That Itchy scene sticks out not just because it's so great but that it's pretty much one of a kind with Laura so forthrightly talking about her sexual needs and desires and how she's not having sex because she wants to maiantain power and control over him, not because she's afraid she'll get in emotionally too deep.
That's why I love it so much! At the beginning, it's total animal lust that she's suppressing. I think only after she really gets to know Remington does it become an emotional issue of getting in too deep. OK, I won't say any more...Until Friday or Saturday.
by JuleanJS (Wed Oct 4 2006 14:07:51 ) 

Don't feel too badly for "jumping the gun" folks. I jumped so much that I watched it last night--knew I'd be busy this weekend. I won't post anything new or any spoils, but I really agree with what's been said so far--it is different (Debra's right-he isn't the Remington we love at the first of the show--I don't even really like him--well, I like to look at him, but I don't care much for the character--"unscrupulous cad" sums it up well, picac.) I do like the more direct Laura, though--not sure if I would have liked her for four plus years, but I have to wonder what direction the series would have gone if they'd stayed more with that character. There's another scene (not as quotable as the "itchy, but involving both of them) that's so direct I had to watch it several times and ask myself, "Was that really Remington an Laura saying those things?" 
Okay, one comment about specifics, not a spoiler per say, but something to look for when you watch it: Does Nadine have caviar stuck in her teeth or does she just have really bad teeth? 
by pianoRose (Wed Oct 4 2006 16:13:37 ) 

oh, you guys are so funny! Now you've really given me something to think about when I watch. But thanks for holding back on specific spoilers!
by Xenos1981 (Wed Oct 4 2006 16:17:09 ) 

Julean, I know exactly which scene you're talking about. It's great, so I won't spoil it. Actually, there are so many really great scenes in this episode...I can't wait to discuss!!! Also of note is Laura's vulnerablity in this episode. Watch closely, first-timers. (I think Nadine's teeth are just really bad.)
by lissa_erin14 (Wed Oct 4 2006 20:57:03 ) 

i could debate that.
by Xenos1981 (Thu Oct 5 2006 13:27:32 ) 

Which part could you debate, Lissa?
by lissa_erin14 (Thu Oct 5 2006 13:30:54 ) 

Her teeth or the fish eggs
by pianoRose (Fri Oct 6 2006 15:07:15 ) 

I had to watch early 'cause of my plans for tonight. I will watch again this weekend...I liked it but not sure I can square it with LTS...LTS seems to signal more of where the show was headed. Laura seemed to exhibit more power and control in TS...I think the itchy scene showed that. 

I think as a pilot show it would have been good but LTS was better(I think because it fits more with how the show was). The one thing that made me wonder in TS --the mission guy was a friend of Steele's but coming off LTS I didn't have the impression Steele had been in L.A. before the gems showed up (while in the limo he asked Laura what street they were on). 

It did seemed to me that there were more instances of them helping each other in polite ways--Laura's putting on her jacket he helps her, she helps him put on his tux jacket.

Little things I noticed--Steele calls Laura and says he will send his car to her apartment to get her for dinner. I would have thought he'd know she lived in a house. The wall in the hall outside the office was white in an early scene. Later it was brown with a hanging plant --someone must have thought it was too bare as a white wall. But in the opening credits I think there's a painting there? Can't remember right now.

I thought the whole brass plate thing was stupid...the only redeeming thing was the part with the waiter which signaled that there was interest on Steele's part in Laura in that he says he might not need any more brass plates.

I forgot to check the teeth thing.
 

by picac (Fri Oct 6 2006 15:38:24 ) 

It did seemed to me that there were more instances of them helping each other in polite ways--Laura's putting on her jacket he helps her, she helps him put on his tux jacket. 

Steele always does the hair/coat thing with Laura. He does it in several episodes. It's one of the many things that separate him from say Westfield -- she put on her coat and he didn't do the hair thing. Not a true gentleman. ;) One of the things I really like about their fight in the motel is that a) he doesn't even seem to notice she's partially undressed and in the middle of seducing some guy 2) while they fight he matter of factly helps her look for her shoe under the bed and then helps her with her clothes and her hair.

The original idea in Tempered is that Steele had been around for quite some time so he would be familiar with L.A. Even so he'd probably been there before anyhow, during the series he knew several people who were natives (counterfitters, pickpockets, traveller's aid at the bowling alley etc) and you can be somewhere before and not know all the specific geography like a native. As Tempered fits in the series as it became I gather we're supposed to think some time had passed between between the end of License and the start of Tempered (at least the weeks that Laura has been pimping him out to Nadine). But the slightly different tone and little things like Laura having an apt and Steele actually having successful sex, give it away as not completely belonging. ;-P

by Xenos1981 (Fri Oct 6 2006 15:42:30 ) 

PianoRose...I'm gonna re-watch TS tonight and post later. BUT...How could you not like the brass plate thing?!?! And doesn't the itchy scene deserve more than a mere passing mention in your post?!?! What did you think? I'd also be interested in your perspective on Laura's "power" verses her "vulnerability" in this episode. I have a bunch of other questions for you, too, being a first time viewer, but I fear I may be getting too far ahead of myself because we're supposed to watch tonight. Don't want to spoil it for the other first timers. I'll post tomorrow if I can.
by pianoRose (Fri Oct 6 2006 16:56:48 ) 

I look forward to your questions Xenos! I will watch again in the morning.
by attagrrrl (Fri Oct 6 2006 21:58:01 ) 

I have mixed feelings about this episode. In a way I like its darker tone and harder edge, especially, as others have already said, Laura’s frank admission of her sexual attraction to Steele and the fact that she’s not necessarily in love, just hor.. err, “itchy.” I had completely forgotten about her “love to” remark in the scene where their argument about the case somehow evolves into a discussion of having sex. I also like the stronger antagonism between the two of them. We see that in other Season 1 episodes, but never this intense.

On the other hand, both Steele and Laura exhibit rather sordid sides to their personalities that I’m kind of glad they dropped after this episode. Maybe I’m a prude, but I especially don’t like to see Laura whoring herself out for a case. It’s just kind of sleazy, and if I’m not mistaken, it’s the one and only time we see her in such a situation. In Vintage Steele she also strips to her underwear, but none of those bankers ever touch her (except for the gross kiss), and in Steele Away with Me the guy never gets any farther than putting suntan lotion on her. (I’m not a fan of those scenes either, so maybe I really am a prude.)

Steele’s more caddish persona doesn’t bother me as much. He’s also sleeping around for a case, but he’s obviously enjoying it—too much in fact. I don’t think I would have minded if he had remained a reckless, materialistic womanizer, willing to take advantage of his “free ride” from Laura, a little longer. Sure, he’s a jerk for bestowing his little name plates on women and so forth, but that gives his character a place to grow from. As we’ve already seen, however, by the “first” episode he’s already pretty much dropped his harder persona and become the thief with a heart of gold character we all love. I don’t remember many future references to him overspending the company money, and do we EVER get any other reference to him having slept with many women? It’s like RS moved from the sexual freedom of the 70s into the prudery of the 80s in one episode! 

Another problem with the darker tone is that it’s not nearly as funny. There were so many great quips and one-liners in LTS, but I noticed very few in this episode. It’s humorous, but there’s none of the fun, silly stuff that PB and SZ were so good at.

Another interesting thing I noticed about this episode that I hadn’t thought much about before was how Steele is the main focus and gets most of the action. I have always thought of the show as evolving to make him the central character, but even though SZ was getting top billing, the focus had clearly already shifted by the time the pilot was made. Steele is the one with a personal interest in the case, and Laura steps aside and uncharacteristically leaves everything to him—first installing the security system, then staging the big polo match, then hosting the dinner party. Laura sort of lurks around at the edges and quietly solves the case, but except for running around in her panties in the motel parking lot and getting choked, she doesn’t see much action in this ep.

What else? Clothes? I forgot to pay much attention. Of course, the hideous necklace. I will not speak of it. I liked the boyish page outfit with beret (or whatever that kind of hat is called) that she wore to the stable.

Other random likes:
Laura’s Southern accent in the motel room
The camera work at the motel. It’s so rare for RS to have any kind of interesting camera work.

Edited to answer my own question: There is another reference to Steele having a very active dating life in Signed Steeled & Delivered, coming in two weeks.

by picac (Fri Oct 6 2006 23:44:52 ) 

I agree that by mid episode Steele has already moved into the Steele we know. His friendship with Wallace is what really humanizes him and his scenes at the morgue and in the car are dramatically very well done 

As for his womanizing, well we know he has a little black book and uses it. We just never see him successfully get anywhere after Nadine. :D  Until Gleason said on the commentaries that once they met Steele never was with another woman sexually I assumed he was for the first part of Season One. Still, it's obvious to me he is with Nadine and it doesn't make any sense that he wouldn't be with others when Laura instituted the all business/no pleasure dictate. We see him using it to make alternate plans in Signed, Steeled and Delivered -- calling a stewardess and flirting with her roomate when his plans fall through. There are also appearances by Felicia, Anna, Shannon -- mentions of a Countess, a Chemin de Fer dealer etc -- which show that Mr Steele was certainly not a monk -- even though he has a mastery of Tibetan massage. ;-)  In Sensitive he tells Laura he didn't know who he'd be with from day to day before he met her. So yes I do think he lead that kind of carefree lifestyle with women and relationships except for Anna -- though nothing to show that he was a calculating womanizer who doles out brass plates like we see in Tempered.

Still it's Laura who's the one who's sexually more explicit even crass in talking about their relationship. He uses the phrase "Let our passions erupt into something outrageously fulfilling" and she says "hop in the sack" and to Bernice that she's "itchy". Laura discussing her lust is refreshing and interesting but the way she describes their relationship would never have worked if it remained that way. She refers to him as "a clown" and then say she's not having sex with him to keep him interested and in line and to keep power over him. Interesting for a starter but expanded much further than that and it would be sordid and she would be nothing but a tease who had no respect for him but wanted sex she was withholding for leverage. But we see later in the episode that he's affecting her emotionally -- his speech to her in the restaurant and then his reaction to Wallace's death shows that she's smitten. 

Tid bits I haven't touched on in earlier posts: 

Steele name dropping -- he used to play with Charles before he was married -- obviously wanting Laura to think it's Prince Charles and it might be knowing him.

Interestingly Laura says he looks like a Harry which is what Daniel calls him. Harry is also the name that was on the script for LTS for his character before he became Steele. So that name was there from the start.

Fashion: 

Laura's grey suit when she comes onto the office where Steele and Meecham are shooting the bull is nice and unfussy but her fashion highlight is her off the shoulder Myrna Loy dinner party dress. Lastly, the necklace of which we shouldn't speak but it's just too hideous to ignore -- shudder.

Steele commits his own unpardonable sin of wearing a WHITE belt in the hotel scene with his brown jacket and light blue jeans. Though he actually makes it work, and the shot of him reading and lowering a copy of GQ is marvelous. Also there's the tux which always works. The huge sunglasses though do not.

I'd love to have a copy of that B&W photo that Laura has of Steele.

The camera work and lighting in this episode is top notch and very 40s and you can tell why the cinematographer Reynaldo Villalobos went on to success in films. 

by DCZinger (Sat Oct 7 2006 07:57:45 ) 

Tempered Steele was the first episode actually filmed, though License to Steele establishes the show's premise. 

I notice the Pierce has a European pallor...like he hadn't gotten any California Sun. That's a little strange to me. By the middle of Season one, he's starting to look like he's lived in Southern California for a while. I like to think that Steele is still pale after a few months in California, because he's been out catting around all night and sleeps during the daytime. 

By this point in their relationship, Steele and Laura have known each other a few months at most....Long enough for:

1. Steele to have established himself with a "staggering" array of women. Those silly name plates are starting to run into "big bucks". 

2. Laura to come up with a way to work with the flashy frontman game plan. Steele at this point only occasionally comes into the office. They rarely see him, he does his "flashy front man" act while Murphy, Laura and Bernice handle the cases. If Steele just did as he was told, things would work just fine for Laura's universe...he wouldn't be around to "tempt" her either. 

3. By this time, Steele is starting to chomp at the bit. He is bored with the "flashy front man" role and wants more. For Steele, it seems that the worse thing in life is to be BORED. I had hoped over the years that the writers would capitalize on that fact. Steele trying to keep boredom at bay, and Laura keeping him in check. 

I agree that at this point, both Laura and Steele acknowledge the attraction they have for one another. It would be impossible for Laura to run the agency, the scam of Remington Steele and control her creation while being tied to him sexually...and soon enough...emotionally. 

LOVE the "self centered" Steele, he doesn't care the Laura is working a case, or that she's in a motel room half naked. He DOES care that she's closed his checking account! What a great starting point for Pierce to build the character! This contradicts many a fanfic that describes Steele falling in love with Laura at the start. I don't see it. Oh, he's definitely attracted to her, and intrigued...but in Love? Nah. I see him falling in love with her by "Steele Belted". Unfortunately, Pierce does almost four years of great character building in Steele, only to revert back to his self-centered Tempered Steele persona in "Bonds of Steele". An excellent fanfic by Ilsa Lund starts once again with Laura half naked in a motel room...This time Steele barges in and spoils it again..but for different reasons. 

Steele dating during this time period is only natural. Laura has made it clear that theirs is a "strictly professional" relationship. What is he supposed to do with his time in the evenings? Take up needlepoint? I can't see why Laura is so peeved at him for doing what any red-blooded male would do when told to take a hike in the sexual department. Then again, perhaps she was hoping that he'd WOO her? 

What is WITH those light blue aviator glasses they put on Pierce? And that plaid jacket? Eek! Ah, Yes...The necklace that shall NOT be mentioned. Love the white Myrna Loy dress they put Laura in. Did you see that beautifully muscled back? Again, something that you don't see in the early 80's. This is pre-Jane Fonda,Olivia Newton John's "Physical". 

That CLOCK in Steele’s office. Totally clashes with the decor. 

As they were running out of the hotel it almost looked like that Laura was wearing NOTHING under that shirt. NBC had a problem with “Millicent Fairbush” but it’s okay to have Laura run around in nude panty hose and no skirt! My husband almost had a heart attack when he first saw that scene! He thought that Laura wasn't wearing ANYTHING under that shirt. I had to freeze frame and point out the pantyhose! 

A priceless Laura moment…that little nose wiggle and hop she does as she steps into the office to greet Mr. Steele and Meachum. From brilliant detective and agency head to Playboy bunny in two seconds. 

Arlen Howard was great as Meachum. Loooove all those silly football phrases. Blitzing our buns and all. 

The man who played Wallace is uncredited but phenomenal. One line and the cross on his jacket establishes his character. 

Again, excellent character exposition with a simple lunch order: Bernice is Avocado on 7 grain with alfalfa sprouts. Murphy is Corned beef and pastrami on a kaiser roll with horseradish and sauerkraut. Pepto Bismol anyone?

Can't wait to get Judith's book and see what was originally planned for this episode!

Keep up the great comments! 

DCZinger

 

by jrdedrick (Sat Oct 7 2006 08:18:33 ) 

You guys are great! You covered things I didn't even realize! LOL And I agree with the assessments.

Now onto stuff that my lame mind catches. LOL We should all be so LUCKY to have a friend like Bernice. Nuff said....

{{And to break into this, here's something that most of you probably know but I will mention anyway. Arlen Snyder "Old Meech" also played on Scarecrow and Mrs. King as Lee Stetson's uncle in a Relative Situation. Just thougt that should be said....LOL Now back to regularly scheduled RS}}

I have to agree though with what you've all said so far. I'm going to have to watch the eps much more closely or with a different mindset I guess.

Neeney

by attagrrrl (Sat Oct 7 2006 10:13:26 ) 

I just realized that no one has yet mentioned the dinner party scene. It's so obvious that it's a classic RS moment that I forgot to bring it up. The whole "let's get all the suspects together" way of resolving a case gets a little over-played on the show, but this is first and best example of it. It made me want to watch the Thin Man again since I barely remember anything about it. I love the way there's this whole big argument going on between Steele and the men while the the tea talk going on quietly on the side is where all the important stuff is happening. LOVE Steele's reaction during the confession and then when he has to take credit even though he has no idea what's going on, then the look on Laura's face when he says "What else do you expect from Remington Steele." So perfect. 
by clervaux (Sat Oct 7 2006 11:28:17 ) 

The man who played Wallace is uncredited but phenomenal. One line and the cross on his jacket establishes his character.
Wallace was played by the great actor and director Lou Antonio who did the bit as a favor to Michael Gleason. He asked not to be credited and so he was not. 
by lissa_erin14 (Sat Oct 7 2006 14:15:52 ) 

Neeney you know i appreciate that little bit of knowledge.

the first time I watched this episode and I saw what Laura was doing, I couldn't believe my eyes! I didnt start watching the show from the beginning i think when i came into the picture it was end of 2nd season. So I went through the whole series before I knew how they got together. 

Anyway back to this episode...in regards to the motel scene...I believe I turned to my sis and said, "This is not Laura Holt. She is not. Are you seeing, what I'm seeing?" I'm sure if my mother happened to walk in, that would have been the end of my Steele watching days. (not like that would have stopped me)

I love Laura's little controlled smile at the end and her dress is goregous! I thought the name plates were so tacty and I can't believe Nadine fell for it. I love the way he barges in the motel and completely ignores what is going one. Such a one track mind!

by DCZinger (Sat Oct 7 2006 14:36:26 ) 

Yes, Clervaux...Lou Antonio is mentioned in the Commentary. 

I remember Lou Antonio from an old classic Star Trek episode.."Let That BE Your Last Battlefeild", with Frank Gorshin, who played the Riddler on the old Batman series. 
Lou played Lokai, who was white on one side, and black on the other. Frank was the same, only the sides reversed. Only that THAT was the basis for generations of fighting over whose was the superior race. Kirk and Spock try to reason with them, but in the end, they hijack the Enterprise and make it to their home planet, where they discover everyone there has killed themselves in the fighting. 

I remember thinking it was weird seeing Lou without that white/black makeup when he did the Steele episode. 

DCZinger 

by picac (Sat Oct 7 2006 15:10:47 ) 

Honestly I don't think Nadine cared one way or the other about the name plates (and I doubt any woman would), she just wanted Steele in bed. It reminds me of Ms Tapplinger in Belted, who wants to have sex even after Steele comes in and sees his apt is ransacked. Only a dead body deters her advances. :D

As for Nadine, her front teeth seem to be a tad pushed in at an angle but it's the cavier that makes them look really bad.

And yes Lou Antonio does a marvelous job as Wallace. It's a small role but he conveys so much ina few short lines and expressions and he and Pierce have instant chemistry as Steele and Wallace. I had no idea he was in that Trek episode though I've seen it countless times.

by pianoRose (Sun Oct 8 2006 13:26:55 ) 

I haven't watched the commentaries for LTS or TS. I think I'll wait a few weeks until I've seen more of season 1. So my impressions may be in left field but they come from someone who hadn't seen this one before. I watched TS a second time this afternoon. I enjoyed reading everyone comments. 

To me LTS and TS are two different shows. I could see either as a pilot. I could see a show evolving from the TS--if handled correctly. It would have been a game of cat and mouse. At some point it could have changed into something beyond physical attraction as both realized they loved the other. But I don't that it would have been handled that way--there would have been too much pressure to hop in the sack and be done with it.

Well, the exec's at NBC did one thing right in asking for a pilot explaining the history of Steele (with LTS). With just TS we would have been left assuming he just decided to take advantage of a free ride that he some how found out about. In LTS we still don't quite get a reason he stays but it's not just because he's a con man looking for a gig.

In TS Laura seems much more assertive yet Steele is the one getting everything going (installing the security system, polo match, dinner). If I had been the one writing a pilot show about a girl detective Laura would have been the one leading the charge. Granted she does solve the case but it does seem to be all about him.

The itchy scene--I don't know what to say--It didn't blow me away. I liked hearing Laura being open and honest. But I think since I wasn't crazy about this Steele yet (think brass plates, plaid jacket, blue sunglasses--yuck!) I couldn't quite buy into it.

My favorite quotes--"See Miss Holt. She huddles." and "My face & your figment."

I'm curious to see what my feelings are as I watch the next couple of shows. I don't know at what point in season 1 I started watching when it was on PAX.
 

by attagrrrl (Wed Oct 11 2006 00:22:46 ) 

PianoRose, I enjoyed reading your response to TS. I hope there are more "virgin" episodes for you in Season 1. There's nothing like the first time. 
by Xenos1981 (Wed Oct 11 2006 15:14:50 ) 

Hi, ladies! I'm back. I know I'm jumping in late here and that everyone has pretty much covered everything, but I must throw my two cents worth in.

I absolutely love this episode. The itchy scene is so frank and honest -- something we don't see much with Laura's character. Loved the friendship we see between Laura and Bernice -- something I wish we had seen more of. Loved the friendship between Wallace and Remington. Totally bought into it. Mostly, though, I loved the interaction between Laura and Remington. Every scene had a purpose (no fluffy filler crap), my favorite being the restaurant scene. (The lead up to it was also awesome -- R telling, not asking, telling her the limo was going to pick her up and L looking in the mirror...So telling! Kudos to Steph for that brilliant scene!) Loved the obvious attraction/sexual tension between the two. HOT! Loved that she got flustered when he was complimenting her. My favorite line (other than "itchy") was "I hate it when you're nice to me". The fact that they can "dislike" each other and yet be so obviously attracted to each other is wonderful. Like I've said before...There's a thin line between love and hate. What's also nice is that they're there for each other and seem to really care when it counts. It's a great beginning to a great relationship, IMHO.

Oh, wait, one more thing...Can Pierce and Stephanie wear PJs or what?!?! They looked incredible in their robes! (This PJ scene was second only to the one in Red Holt Steele.) 

by jrdedrick (Wed Oct 11 2006 16:09:41 ) 
The itchy scene is good but to be honest its not my favorite. I think my favorite scene is the one where they're arguing in the office and it ends up with him saying something about letting their passions erupt into something more fulfilling (or something like that) and she responds What hop into the sack....and well you get it. LOL Don't know why but that one gets me more "excited" than the itchy scene. All though the itchy scene is good. Like I said before, we should all be so lucky to have a friend like Bernice!

Neeney


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