Episode #05 - Thou Shalt Not Steele
by Xenos1981 (Thu Oct 26 2006 14:30:53 )
Just a reminder,
ladies and gents...Thou Shalt Not Steele is our episode this Friday! (Great
episode...My first RS experience *sigh*.) As always, post away...
by DCZinger (Thu Oct 26 2006 14:38:22 )
this one we meet Felecia ( and Cassie) and Laura's mother.
This is one
of my TOP TEN Remington Steele episodes. Introducing someone to this show,
then THIS should be one of your selections.
May I suggest
we keep ALL discussions of this episode ( for example favorite scenes,
favorite lines, favorite outfits and such ) confined to THIS THREAD ONLY
so we don't repeat ourselves.
by jrdedrick(Thu Oct 26 2006 15:14:09 )
to be introduced with Xenos! LOL I don't remember which one I saw first.
But I will definitely be watching and taking notes.
by pianoRose (Thu Oct 26 2006 18:15:29 )
Not sure if
I've seen this one or not. ( I had seen bits of last week's but never all
the way through before.) since you all are excited about this one I have
high hopes. Didn't much care for last week's.
by Xenos1981 (Thu Oct 26 2006 19:38:53 )
pianoRose, you're in for a real treat! AWESOME episode!
by picac (Thu Oct 26 2006 20:01:00 )
I have to
chime in here as well. It's a top 10 episode and the one I'd recommend
to get someone hooked on the show. If they don't like this one they won't
like the show.
(Thu Oct 26 2006 20:36:26 )
this one was wonderful and especially the part where Laura's in the living
room trying to explain to Murphy why her mother is cleaning the bathroom!
The expressions on Stephanie's face are priceless.
by DCZinger (Fri Oct 27 2006 08:03:22 )
I think I'm
gonna end up writing a BOOK on this one. Just too many awesome moments!
by Xenos1981 (Fri Oct 27 2006 08:51:42 )
You just HAD to bring up Laura's mother cleaning her bathroom, didn't you?!?!
I'm having a flashback! Not good! I need to find my happy place now. Thanks
by pianoRose (Fri Oct 27 2006 09:09:09 )
I just couldn't
wait until this afternoon so i snuck (is that a word) a viewing of Thou
Shall Not Steele. I had not seen this one!! Yippee! I loved it! can't post
more now--have to go make up for goofing off for an hour!! hehehe
I think I'll
watch this again today as part of my 3 hour fest!
by jrdedrick(Fri Oct 27 2006 09:19:20 )
Snuck is a
great word Piano! And I look forward to hearing what you thought about
by lissa_erin14 (Fri Oct 27 2006 13:28:55 )
This is a sode I never grow tired of. Beverly Garland is hilarious! The
reaction of Mother and Daughter is priceless!
Mother my line
isnt out there to hook and sink a big one.
by pianoRose (Fri Oct 27 2006 15:38:18 )
one! Yes I would show this one along with LTS to a newbie.
Liked the music
in this one.
Before I forget--fav
quotes: "Didn't realize the woman was such a jolt to your equilibruim"
how I hate a mess"
your mother clean your bathroom?"
I enjoyed the
whole trust issue that's played in this eppy. I also liked the use of a
former lover to establish Steele has changed.
I loved the
scene when Laura returns home so excited she got away from the kidnappers!
between Laura and her mom in the car was terrific. I also liked when her
mom was telling Steele that she tells people Laura is a hygienist.
Donald is referred to as a shoe saleman. Did her mom say to Steele that
Laura was her middle child?
I'll add more
did I say i
loved this one?
by picac (Fri Oct 27 2006 16:34:24 )
great transcripts -- a couple of my all time favorite Steele exchanges.
"Is she here
on business or did you have something wicked in mind?" Felicia asks him.
"Shame I didn't know about it sooner. Sounds like fun, but I have my mother
too kinky for my blood," responds Felicia, to which Steele flinches.
To our first
swallows from the thermos, "To our only time. I don't intend to make this
a frequent aspect of our work." She hands the thermos back to him.
There are so few forms of true intimacy left."
a *date*, you know."
"Certainly beats a night in the laundry hamper."
But most museum guards hesitate to report an army of little green monsters
marching at them. Looks bad on their record."
Laura is impressed,
"You know, you're *very* good at this."
"I think you
just made my evening. And here was I beginning to think you didn't like
"I do. Some."
"But not all?"
Steele looks at his watch.
"Only the parts
"And the parts
at him, "They frighten me a little."
"Fear can be
a most intoxicating brew."
my mother about this."
my lovelies. Do try and be gentle with me this time."
"Cover up ladies,
you're liable to catch a chill."
with talking about the highlights of this episode is that it's one long
highlight reel from Laura's fear of her mother showing up, Steele making
nice and inviting her to dinner, Abigail scrubbing Laura's tub, Laura showing
up with Steele and Felicia both in robes, Steele lighting dead Achmed's
cigarette, Felicia kissing Steele and finding he feels different- "smitten",
Steele's brilliant take on "How To Steal A Million" which shows what a
well prepared exceptional thief he is and the joy he gets from it (a great
contrast to some of his bumbling as a new detetcive), Abigail saying she
knows what happens in women's prison, the entire asthma inhaler recurring
theme, Steele hanging by his feet and then his arms as Felicia leans in
to Steele and gentlely rocks him back and forth as she recalls the wonders
of his Tibetan massage, strawberries on the Riviera and wild drives on
the Autobahn. Felicia telling Laura she thinks it great how she does things
with her mother because she could never stand it, both agreeing that Laura
isn't Steele's type and then asking Laura to tell her if Michael slips
about his real name one night.
does mention that Laura is the middle child. This is never bought up again.
After this it's just two kids with Laura being the youngest and the discrepency
is never alluded to.
say to Laura in Steele Sweet that she told him Donald was into sporting
goods, and Laura says no he's a Dentist who owns interest in sporting goods.
So at least that they try to explain away later.
ready to go out and impress the Mom sweater-- yucky! Though the getting
dressed scene is one of my favorites as Felicia tries to undress Michael
as he tries to get dressed and he matter of factly taps her hands away
(this always looks so natural and married to me -- I love the entire interplay
between Pierce and Cassie in this episode). His robe -- sexy as hell --
both the one he's wearing and the one Felicia swiped. Having a vest and
tie on as he swings from the rafters is also a nice fashion touch. I like
Laura's sweater coat though it's not nearly as nice as the white coat she
had in LTS. The piece de resistance -- very cool black break in clothes
which become a staple of RS, thankfully.
by DCZinger (Fri Oct 27 2006 17:50:07 )
agree with Picac that this is one whole "highlight real". Clearly one of
the best of Season One.
First of All,
Steele is wearing a YELLOW tie in the opening scene! Apparently he does
to wear your hair up". That ONE line is Laura and Abigail's relationship
boiled down to the brass tacks. THIS was the moment I realized that Laura
was my "bud".
away from Gutman's men and her glee at "I got away! I was brilliant! also
showcases Laura's need for "adventure and excitement". I know, Laura Holt
could never be a Jedi Knight. THIS is why she's a does what she does, so
she can outwit the bad guys and be brilliant! This adventerous streak is
why she's brave enough to invent Remington Steele as her fake boss, do
for over a year without him actually being there, and why the man who came
to fill his shoes excites her while terrifying her, yet she keeps him around.
HERE is the
first talking over each other screamfest that Laura and Remington have.
Glen Gordon Caron's trademark. I sorely missed these little screamfests
in Seasons Two-Five. Unfortunately, they couldn't do these after Caron
left because then they would be copying Moonlighting. Sorry, Steele did
it FIRST and Better!
this Achmed shows up dying on Laura's doorstep (BTW, how did he know where
Laura lives?, and that Steele would be there?) Laura's little screetch
followed by "Oh this isn't happening!" as she realizes that theres a dead
man in her foyer while her mother is in the bedroom.
scene with Abigail and Steele alone is two professional actors nailing
a funny scene. What beautiful timing Beverly and Pierce have.
believe that Michael forgot that Abigail says "My middle one" when referring
to Laura. I can't believe that NOBODY on the show remembered that Laura
had a younger sibling or that her grandmother was still alive. Abigail
is telling Grandma that Laura is a dental hygenist with great prospects.
What a wealth of story lines THAT would have produced!
notice the TEARS in Laura's eyes as she and Steele have that discussion
in Steele's office that ends with him asking her to steal the painting
with him? She asks him for reassuring words, and he replys "How about stealing
the painting with me?". Her "That's NOT what I had in mind". And THUS the
tone of the next three years is set...She wants to hear the words, and
he's giving her something else entirely.
I think that
Abigail leaves for home content in the fact that NOW she knows what her
daughter does, and that her daughter is working for a great "catch".
Back to watching
this excellent episode, and more comments to follow.
by picac (Fri Oct 27 2006 18:06:03 )
Ah but Lee
Zlotoff wrote this episode not Caron. The simultaneous talking is also
right out of the Cary Grant and Rosalind Russell in Ben Hecht's His
Girl Friday playbook so it's fair game for all. :D
As for the
huge continuity glicthes -- there's no getting around the missing sibling
(let's call him Chuck) but I'll give them a pass and assume Laura had two
grandmothers once, and just one was still living. ;-)
also shows that from the start Steele was interested in Laura's family.
I also thnk he's interested in just the concept of a parent/child relationship
because he's never had one and can't understand why Laura doesn't want
to see her Mother. I recently watchedSuburban Steele and when Laura
says he's changed and since when did he care about her family well pfffttttt
--- her statement holds no water.
by jrdedrick (Fri Oct 27 2006 19:02:36 )
Before I watched
the ep I watched the Season one documentary thing. I've seen it before
but I didn't want to get into watching the ep TOO early in the day or I'd
have to watch it again. LOL (Not that that would be a BAD thing). Anyhow,
what I was getting at is Glen Gordon Caron so did NOT look like what I
thought he did and I must have seen that documentary like ten times all
ready! How did I miss him the other nine?
did watch and take notes but will post them later)
by DCZinger (Fri Oct 27 2006 19:55:44 )
Yes, I know
Lee Zlotoff wrote this, but Caron was Story Editor wasn't he? The first
10 or shows that Caron worked on definitely bear his influence....the talking
over each other arguments, no matter the inspiration, are a sign for me
that we are watching an episode that he worked on.
in that manner is fair game for all, then why did we NOT use this in Seasons
2-5? Why did we end up seeing it on Moonlighting, when it should have stayed
on THIS show? Michael, can I talk to you?
Season Four statement holds no water...I think she was fishing for a declaration
that her family is indeed important to him.
by attagrrrl (Fri Oct 27 2006 20:19:58 )
had time to post here all week, but when I got home tonight I couldn't
wait to put in the episode. As everyone has said, this episode is a delight
from start to finish.
of Laura's adventurous streak, as has been mentioned, is a highlight. This
is really what she's all about for me.
I love that
Steele pops her cherry with the burglary--their "first time"--and that
it's used as a metaphor for sex throughout the episode. The whole episode
is a little on the racy side, with references to threesomes and presumably
lesbian prison inmates.
His Girl Friday
is one of my favorite movies of all time, so the Grant/Russell-esque bickering
is right up my alley. Loved it.
between Laura and Felicia is so adorable. The "Me neither" line is priceless.
Felicia/Cassandra Harris is so much more likeable in this episode than
in later ones.
So many great
lines and moments. All the interaction in the museum, which has already
been quoted. The "touch" of cognac. The "I like you. Some. . . The parts
I know" talk. Another of my favorites that hasn't been mentioned: "How
is the reunion?" "Peachy. Do you have any aspirin?" And "There's nothing
wrong with my [equilibrium]"... as she runs into Kalil.
There's a lot
of poignancy in Steele's desire to get to know Laura's mother and his inability
to understand how she can't get along with the woman who gave her life.
We get a sense of his insecurities as an orphan.
is Laura's defense of Mr. Steele. The emotion in her voice as she's insisting
that there must be an explanation for his disappearance. She wants to believe
in him so much, and this episode sets the precedent that she always has
faith in him even when things look really bad. (except for some annoying
exceptions, which I don't count)
I like the inept security guard who listens to really loud classical music.
It seems like that guy has played a minor character in every show.
jumps in the truck and drives through the wall to escape, why doesn't she
drive away instead of getting out of the truck and running away on foot?
Why isn't Mr.
Steele dressed when Laura arrives to pick him up? It doesn't seem like
him to keep her and her mother waiting.
In sum, what
a great episode. This is definitely one of my favorites.
by everglade68 (Fri Oct 27 2006 20:57:16 )
watching this episode and reading all your excellent comments.
This is why
I loved Season One, the episodes were so full of promise and I couldn't
wait to see the clips of the next week's episode.
This is a wonderful
episode, starting with his yellow tie (who wears yellow ties and gets away
with it anyway}, the locket that he wears in several of the episodes throughout
the show, the way he says "bloody curse on it". By the way, what does bloody
actually means? And all those great lines like "sounds like a family trait"
to Laura's mother when she explains how she makes up stuff about Laura
to tell the grandmother.
of course, my favorite character. What a joy to watch the expressions on
her face, her body language, her zeal for adventure and her awareness that
Remington means more to her than she wants to admit. It is Stephanie at
This is my
first post regarding an episode. You are all so good, I hope mine was okay.
by picac (Fri Oct 27 2006 21:41:26 )
You did great.
From the English
to American Dictionary. ;)
Damn, another tricky word to define. Bloody is another great British multi-purpose
swear word. Most well known as part of the phrase "Bloody hell!" which
could best be described as an exclamation of surprise, shock or anger.
Bloody can also be used in the middle of sentences for emphasis in a similar
way to the ubiquitious f--- word ("And then he had the cheek to call me
a bloody liar!") or even with particular audacity in the middle of words
("Who does she think she is, Cinde-bloody-rella?"). I am reliably informed
by a contributor that bloody is in fact nothing to do with blood and actually
a contraction of the phrase "by Our Lady". Sometimes I wonder whether it's
worth putting in all these useful linguistic derivations when in actual
fact you only got here because you were wondering what a poof was.
I think Steele
wears that necklace thoughout the series, or if he stopped wearing it I
can't remember when. It belongs to Pierce as does the Russian wedding ring
Steele wears on the pinky of his right hand. As found on Remington Zeal.
is mine and it belonged to my grandmother. It was the back of her watch
and has the initials 'KOR', which stand for Kathleen O'Reilly and has the
date 1923. The watch was given to her by my grandfather. She didn't like
it and she had it made into a bracelet. It was given to me and it's the
only thing that I have of hers." -- Pierce Brosnan
by everglade68 (Sat Oct 28 2006 05:58:58 )
for that great defition of "bloody" and for the information regarding the
locket. I have only noticed the locket recently, guess I was just too busy
looking at his chest.
by DCZinger (Sat Oct 28 2006 08:00:46 )
those comments coming!
You are soooo
right about Season One and all the promise it had. Some promises were kept,
and some we kept waiting, and waiting, and waiting for...and we're still
waiting almost 25 years later.
This is one
of my favorite shows for great Laura bits. There are soooo many of them!
Yes, this IS Stephanie at her best.
The line Steele
gives Abigail is "sounds like a family TRAIT" when talking about inventing
a different Laura to tell her grandmother.
Loved the shot
of Laura leaving Remington's apartment after seeing him there with Katharine
Simone...She leans against the wall and you KNOW she's devastated by what
she thinks she's seen. Then she angrily punches the wall.
I have to agree
with Picac that this is also my favorite episode with Cassie in it. I Love
how SHE thinks that it was her MICHAEL that invented Remington Steele and
NOT Laura. I wonder if she EVER figures it out that Remington Steele is
LAURA's creation. Also telling is that Steele deliberately acts like Felicia
is crazy for thinking that he's been "smitten". Why is that I wonder. Is
he not ready to admit it to himself? Or is he protecting Laura from Felicia's
by brenda_grace2u (Sat Oct 28 2006 08:04:43 )
Wow, you guys
are amazing!! I feel like I am in over my head here. I took notes and everything,
but you have already covered most of my points. At any rate, here are a
few more things I noticed:
The guard always
working on his dentures...such classic RS funny.
to Bernice as "Ms. Wolf". I just never get tired of that joke. The longer
it goes on the funnier it is.
Why did Murphy
refer to the agency as "OUR" agency? He was a friend and partner, but it
was always HER agency right?? Where does he get off saying "our" like its
as much his as hers.
I was never
really a fan of the "double dialoge" thing. It just didn't fit Laura and
Steele's relationship, and I was glad when the stopped doing it. They respected
each other enough to hear what the other one was saying. It worked on Moonlighting
because both characters were so self absorbed they didn't care what the
other one had to say. Not so of our Laura and Steele.
I was also
taken with just how YOUNG Stephanie was when this show started, and Pierce
as well for that matter. The scene outside the jail really brought it home
for me. She just seemed like a little girl getting caught staying out all
night. Her voice was so timid even when she yelled. She just seemed so
little to be caught up in such an adult world.
I may be reaching here....but,
of Felica was the first time Laura was faced with jealousy over one of
the women from Steele's past, and then..we see little green monsters. Jealousy
is often refered to as the little green monster! I don't know if that is
what the writers were going for or not, but I liked it.
I really like
this episode. Everyone seemed to be finding their stride. Writers, directors,
actors, all of them were settleing into where and how this show was going
by DCZinger (Sat Oct 28 2006 08:32:37 )
thought being Laura's partner in bringing off the charade of Remington
Steele, and he's Laura's partner professionally ( and hopefully romantically)
that's why he feels that he can use the word "our" when referring to the
agency. It's also a way to cut Steele out of the picture with a word because
in Murphy's mind, Steele doesn't belong there. Notice that when he meets
up with Laura during a case he always says "Hey, Partner". He's also been
Laura's friend, confidant, and partner until HE shows up.
hesitate to remind Murphy that the agency is HERS.
I would have
LOVED to have seen James Read return in subsequent seasons. In my perfect
imaginary fifth season, Murphy does return, after seeing the a picture
of a muddied Laura with Bride of Frankenstein hair, and a smirking Steele
in a tuxedo standing in a pile of dead fish with the caption...Famous Detective
Weds Secretary. Murphy finally gets to pop a good one on Steele's kisser.
by everglade68 (Sat Oct 28 2006 08:52:33 )
was of course "trait" instead of "trade" and I proof read it countless
times, it's just hard to find your own mistakes. I am glad you thought
my comments were Ok because after reading all of the messages, I said no
way can I do this. But it just takes thought and time and of course the
motivation. It is really fun.
What I noticed
about this though is that it forced me to concentrate more on the episode
while I was watching it, a hard task when others come and talk to you.
I am also amazed at how realllllllly good RS was. On the surface, it just
seems like other television shows, but it is not. If you look at it closely
you'll see it at a very different level.
I too noticed
that Cassie's character was so much nicer than in her future appearances
in the show. I wonder why? Was it life imitating art? Or is it art imitating
life, I don't know which.
by Xenos1981 (Sat Oct 28 2006 09:20:24 )
ladies (as usual)! I'm jumping in late, so most everything has already
been posted. As I said before, Thou Shalt Not Steele was my first RS experience...and
you never forget your first time.
I guess that's why I LOVE seeing this episode again and again and never
tire of it.
by saying that Lee Zlotoff is an AWESOME writer. This episode and Red Holt
Steele are two of my favorites. I think he does an excellent job of really
delving into the characters. We learn something new about each of them
in whatever episode he writes. I was sorry to see him leave after the first
two seasons. A big loss for the show in my humble opinion.
fights...I LOVE it when they have a screamfest at the same time. I missed
that in seasons two thru five. But I agree with Brenda that they respected
each other too much to continue that throughout the series. HOWEVER, I
think it would have been nice to have it rear it's ugly head every once
in a while when they were really having a knock-down, drag-out fight. If
they did it every episode, RS would have been reduced to just being Moonlighting.
I know this
belongs in another thread, but I'll state it here instead...Laura looks
incredible in her black outfit -- hat and all! I've changed my mind yet
again...Laura looks her prettiest when she gets released from jail. (By
the way, not to short-change Remington...DAMN he looked sexy all in black!!!)
I really love
(like most of you said) how Remington takes an instant interest in Abigail.
His fascination with Laura's relationship with her mother is so sweet and
intriguing. Spoke volumes about his character. I think it's the first time
we see a kind of envy or longing for a family on Steele's part. It was
VERY subtle -- I didn't catch it the first time I watched it -- but now
knowing how the series played out, I think this was the first glimpse into
family life (or lack there of) as well as Laura's.
LOVED the "family
trait" scene. Always makes me laugh. Actually, this whole episode is EXTREMELY
funny -- laugh out loud funny! Remington's expression after saying "pardon?"
to Khalil is priceless! Laura is hysterical throughout the episode not
really being sure how to handle her mother! Abigail is great as the overbearing
mom...and yet we actually like her! The "green monsters" (jealousy) was
a nice touch. Again, I didn't get it when I first watched the episode way
back when...but now, it's very Freudian.
I have the
same reaction I had seeing it the first time when they break into the museum
and are sipping cognac together..."Kiss him! Kiss him! Kiss him!"
Such a tease they are! Practically killed me!!!
All in all,
just about as perfect an episode as you can get!
and Brenda...I'm glad you're posting! Woo-Hoo!!!
by attagrrrl (Sat Oct 28 2006 09:41:30 )
I don't really
see talking over each other as a sign of disrespect--it's more a sign of
sexual tension. And every time they do it, I wish they had done it more
on the show. I do agree there can be too much of a good thing, but used
selectively it could have continued on for as long as they bickered, which
was forever. It's funny to imagine how Mildred would have reacted.
opposite of their relationship, which is full of tension, is Laura's relationship
with Murphy. They get along beautifully and are so polite to each other,
and yet there is zero chemistry. I always feel sorry for Murphy when he
calls Laura "partner" or uses the term "our agency." He's clearly trying
to insinuate himself into her heart through mutuality and common interests,
but Laura wants excitement and mystery. Also, Murphy uses those terms all
the time, but you almost never hear Laura using them with him. She does
not see him as a real "partner," yet she allows him to call her that. And
last week, when it was obvious she didn't want to spend the weekend with
him just because she didn't want to, she let him believe it was because
she had to do taxes. I pity him.
by Xenos1981 (Sat Oct 28 2006 09:50:41 )
Unrequited love sucks! I'm glad he got over Laura and at least had a fling
with Sherri Webster. I would have liked it if he came back once in a while
to help Laura and Remington out on a case...or just to kick Remington's
cute little butt! *sigh*
by picac (Sat Oct 28 2006 09:51:35 )
I too noticed
that Cassie's character was so much nicer than in her future appearances
in the show. I wonder why? Was it life imitating art?
that Felicia is thought of as such a recurring character but we only really
see her twice. Here in the first season and then 3 years later in Steele
Searching. (Anna is a completely different character that Cassie said
she wasn't that thrilled to play and I think it shows) In the later, Steele
Searching I & 2, her relationship with Steele /Pierce is still
filled with chemistry and I love that scene where he comes to her apt looking
like hell (and the beautiful smile he gives her) and she tells him she's
waiting for someone else because unrequited lust can be such a bore. Then
they have that lovely talk and very tender kiss (love the way Pierce uses
his fingers) in Part Two when he tells her he's committed to Linda/Laura.
The only difference in her character is when Felicia has her claws out
at the party and deliberately tells Laura a lie about how Michael is staying
with her. It's rather an abrubt about face considering her talk with Michael
and I'm not that sure why it's in there unless as a plot point to make
Laura stay and fight for Steele. It's similiar though to the the lie Daniel
tells Laura in Blue Blooded and Laura has the same reaction there.
She puts a claim in for she believes belongs to her. ;-)
Back to Laura's
jealousy in Thou Shalt Not Steele, I think it's heightened because
with the others she can dismiss them and say they're just airhead bimbos.
But Felicia who may be tall, blonde and busty is most definitely not a
bimbo even when she's posing as a Museum employee. Later the jealousy is
also there because Felicia also shares a past with Steele, a past Laura
isn't privy too and a past he might slip back into.
about the green monsters and jealousy. I never noticed that parallel before.
The guard is
great and we see him again as a very different character in Small Town
by picac (Sat Oct 28 2006 10:03:31 )
is there is much outward respect for Murphy by Laura but not much actual
respect for him, as a potential love interest or her partner in the firm.
Here's someone she can't claim she treats like a subordiante because of
lack of experience, he has at least as much as Laura. But the more Steele
becomes part of the agency the more she pushes him into the role of autopsy
report getter. Here's someone also who is very stable and worthy -- traits
Laura claims she wants in a man -- and yet we'll see in the next episode
when he suggests she date and get her mind off Steele does about the most
obliviously cruel thing possible right in front of him.
along was actually the best thing to happen to Murphy otherwise he'd probably
have tagged along begging for scraps from Laura's emotional and professional
table for a few more years when he could do so much better and deserved
so much more. I think it would be wonderful if Murphy (now with thriving
agency and wife/lover etc) came back and planted a big kiss on Steele for
by jrdedrick(Sat Oct 28 2006 12:05:21 )
I took notes
on this ep too but it looks like everybody covered it well so I won't bore
you with my notes. (Besides, I've really got to learn shorthand because
I SO cannot read them! LOL). I've only got one comment and its kind of
catty so I won't post it because I need my head!
by everglade68 (Sat Oct 28 2006 12:06:09 )
I too liked
Murphy very much and was glad that he finally found someone, even if for
one episode, and got over Laura. He deserved to be loved for himself.
It's hard to
understand how Laura could not see that Murphy was interested in her. It
was so obvious to everyone.
by DCZinger (Sat Oct 28 2006 14:09:00 )
with you Ace on Steele actually being the best thing to happen to Murphy.
I too feel that he would have wasted more than a few more years pining
away for Laura and not getting on with LIFE.
I think Laura
wasn't attracted to Murphy as a romantic lover was that he lacks that streak
of adventurisms. As he says to Laura in "License to Steele": "I hate this
Laura, I REALLY hate this"....That's our Murphy... Murphy doesn't like
going out on a limb, and Laura lives for it, as does Steele. Laura also
tried SAFE and Reliable with Wilson, and what did THAT get her?
How many times
have we've missed someone right under out noses romantically? More than
one occasion I was in Laura's shoes, but in NO CASE did I make a date with
someone else in front of said admirer.
In my dream
Fifth Season, after Murphy planted a punch on Steele's face (for putting
Laura through the Wedding from Hell) he would have talked it over with
Steele, and ended the conversation with a good stiff drink for both, and
a handshake...then after talking with Laura, gone back to Denver and his
thriving PI practice and fiancee Sherry.
by DCZinger (Sat Oct 28 2006 14:26:11 )
| The only
difference in her character is when Felicia has her claws out at the party
and deliberately tells Laura a lie about how Michael is staying with her.
It's rather an abrubt about face considering her talk with Michael and
I'm not that sure why it's in there unless as a plot point to make Laura
stay and fight for Steele.|
I think Felicia
was wise to have said what she said to Laura at the Earl's wedding. It
was HER way to guage whether or not Laura was really going to fight for
Steele, or give up like Felicia did. Remember, Felicia tells Steele that
she regretted NOT fighting for Steele while she had the chance, and now
she knew that Laura had done something that no other woman could achieve
with "Michael"....get a committment. Did you see the TEARS in Felicia's
eyes at that revelation? She knew what "Michael" felt, but what did Lisa/Linda/Laura
feel? She had to find out.
So, by saying
what she said to Laura, and getting Laura's reaction ( "Move it Blondie
before I dent your grille!".) Felicia knows that Laura cares enough to
fight for Steele, ( and Laura knows it too) and that's enough for Felicia
to realize that Michael is a lost cause, for now. We don't see Felicia
again after that. Who knows what plans they had for her in Season Five?
by jrdedrick (Sat Oct 28 2006 14:56:33 )
He would have
punched Steele and then they would have talked? I don't think Steele would
have put up with that! LOL But then that's just my opinion!
by DCZinger (Sat Oct 28 2006 15:03:48 )
liked the use of a former lover to establish Steele has changed|
Piano Rose! If anyone needs to wonder what Steele was like B.L.
then just look at Felicia...who is the female version of Michael O'Leary.
She is more than a little disconcerted to find that the man that she used
to have "bacchanalian whirls" with, the master of Tibetan massage, with
whom she raced down the Autobahn with the top down, who fed her strawberries
on the Riviera, was all "whirled out". I didn't get that impression while
he was racking up an impressive bill handing out those little brass nameplates.
did Laura know there was a "Felicia" involved. Steele had yet to tell her
about an old lover who was blackmailing him.
We hear Felicia
say "No darling, you are" once again in Steele Searching. She's very good
at roping Steele into things that could get him killed and/or arrested.
by picac (Sat Oct 28 2006 15:19:04 )
Felicia say "No darling, you are" once again in Steele Searching. She's
very good at roping Steele into things that could get him killed and/or
Just like Daniel.
It seems to be a pattern with the people in Steele's life. Of course Laura
doesn't mind trying to get him killed much either. I find it very amusing
(and a little disconcerting) in Blue Blooded that in fighting over
who Steele belongs to (also a little disconcerting -- he's not a puppy
you know!) that Laura and Daniel decide to use Steele as bait knowing someone
is trying to kill him. And if someone hadn't stood up at the exact right
moment at that table he'd have been dead. Then I wonder if they'd have
fought over who had the right to bury him? :D
This is another
main reason I object to Tony to blackmailing/almost getting him killed
-- only those people who love Steele should be allowed to mistreat him
that way. :P
the Autobahn, strawberries on the Riveria, wild Bacchanalian whirls --
man he must have been bored stiff handing out those nameplates to the bimbo
du jour after awhile. I'm not sure they take much whirling or that he was
all whirled out -- he just needed another focus. Doing the rubber chicken
circuit where he doodled on his napkin, instead of knocking off The Louvre
obviously wasn't enough and it's why he needed to get involved in the Agency.
As said in another topic when discussing the 5th Season he'd have been
bored to death if he didn't have some excitement in his life.
suppossed to come back in the 5th season but Cassie took ill. So we got
Shannon instead. I wonder how big a rewrite they had to do for the character
-- because to put it mildly Shannon is nuts. That said I really liked Shannon,
and she was a heck of a lot better written and acted than Tony.
by Xenos1981 (Sun Oct 29 2006 07:40:18 )
love this Murphy talk! You're totally right about Murphy playing things
safe and Laura not being attracted to that, Zinger. That MUST have been
the stumbling block for them...I mean, Murphy is a damn attractive man.
Plus, he's kind, honest, reliable, caring, dependable, etc, etc, etc. So
WHY wasn't Laura attracted to him?!?! Lack of adventure...Something that
Steele could give her in spades! I think it's nice he finally got over
Laura and moved on. I just wish he would have come back once in a while.
by jrdedrick (Sun Oct 29 2006 07:56:01 )
hit me as more the brotherly type. To be perfectly honest, I didn't like
Murphy when I saw RS in the 80's. Its only been now that I've gotten the
DVD's that I see a new side of his character. While I still don't think
Laura would have ever been attracted to him, I like him a lot more now
than I did then.
by Xenos1981 (Sun Oct 29 2006 09:17:15 )
You wound me, babe! LOL! I'd be devastated if Murphy were my sibling! (It
would give a whole new meaning to "brotherly love", though!)
by jrdedrick (Sun Oct 29 2006 10:10:59 )
be hurt if he was my brother. He'd be better than the brother that I have.
by Xenos1981 (Sun Oct 29 2006 12:03:31 )
have never been typed, Neeners! Sorry about that.
by brenda_grace2u (Sun Oct 29 2006 12:35:29 )
This is slightly
off topic....but it ties in. LOL
ever see the movie "Celebration Family"? Where Stephanie Zimbalist and
James Read played a married couple who adopt a ton of kids?
It was badly
written but well acted. Anyway, there was just NOOO chemistry between them.
They were playing a very happily married couple and it just didn't work!!
No fault of the actors...it just wasn't there.
Anyway, I think
that is why it didn't work on RS. Pierce and Stephanie had chemistry out
the ying yang and with James....not so much!! I know this is kind of apples
and oranges given it was two completly different settings, but I as a viewer
never believed there was any fire there.
I liked Murphy
as a character, but towards the end of season 1, he just seem to get in
the way of where Remington and Laura were going romantically. Not the love
triangle they were going for, just a thrid wheel always tagging along and
showig up at the wrong time.
I feel bad
for James Read, he's a great actor, but for my money....I'll take Mildred
Krebbs any day of the week!
by picac (Sun Oct 29 2006 12:42:16 )
I agree Laura
and Murphy had no romantic or sexual chemistry. In fact there was more
combustible character chemistry between Steele and Murphy than there was
between Murphy and Laura. I could actually see a detective series with
Steele and Muprhy as partners working long term much more readily than
one with Laura and Murphy. The very good James Read had a thankless role
as the Laura smitten/third wheel in RS as it was written. And Laura as
a character woiuld actually have suffered if it had gone on. How long could
she semi lead him on not wanting to hurt his feelings while still hurting
his feelings without starting to look callous or fickle? And how pathetic
would Muphy had become settling for it? Or even Steele for putting up with
it? If Murphy was going to stay then his crush on Laura would have had
to have been squashed.
by Xenos1981 (Sun Oct 29 2006 13:01:02 )
I agree that
Murphy would have looked pathetic if he kept chasing Laura. However, I
think the writers were headed in the direction of squashing that anyway
with the introduction of Sherry Webster. James Read is a very talented
actor and deserved more than just pining away for Laura. He saw the writing
on the wall, however, and bolted (justifiably so, IMHO)...But I still miss
him (even though I love our Miss Krebbs).
sorry to hear that James and Stephanie have zero chemistry in "Celebration
Family"! Darn! I was hoping they would have a "sizzle" since I felt so
sorry for Murph! Oh, well. Still love 'em both! Like I've posted before...With
Pierce and Stephanie it was lightening in a bottle, baby! Can't get any
better than that!
by jrdedrick (Sun Oct 29 2006 15:01:16 )
That is so true,
Xenos! Guess that's why we're still loving and talking about the show twenty
plus years later!
and Stephanie it was lightening in a bottle, baby! Can't get any better
Smile, it makes
people wonder what you're up to!